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Post by lurin on Mar 28, 2006 2:19:56 GMT -5
i was surfing the net and found a site of TG's that where murderd over the years... and in the first 15 name 8 of them where from atlanta georga... i desided, i am [glow=red,2,300][shadow=red,left,300]NEVER EVER EVER[/shadow][/glow](if i could do better then these caps+bold underlined ext i would) going to atlanta... NNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR... /hides in a corner..
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Post by Lucifer on Mar 28, 2006 19:33:51 GMT -5
Sadly enough, it's not just there. all over the country, 58 people died in the last year alone died for simply being who they are. The links on the Remember our dead day at VE, The Wotch, Misfile, not remembering if it was here, but I never remember... but there are over a thousand dead each year for hate crimes against homosexuals, transgendered, and transvestite population.
A sad state of affairs indeed...
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Post by darkjenso on Mar 29, 2006 14:23:44 GMT -5
hate and TG hate isnt confined to the us tho, for those who have not cheaked my site, i too in fact have been on the recieving end of hate violence, in terms of what happened, i had the sh1t kicked outta me and multiple blows to the head, strange thing is that i dont renember a seccond of it all i recall is a bunch of older teens walking towads me holding sticks reason being i fainted and suffered minor amnesia, in my oppinion tho it was all for the best, its not the kind of thing i would want to renember, but i got quite a graphic description by a person that was nearbye at the time
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Post by lurin on Mar 29, 2006 17:42:27 GMT -5
yeah... i was you one comic devoted to your "fan mail" /comfort...
MAKE MORE COMIC!!!!
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Post by malevolentone on May 18, 2006 1:41:33 GMT -5
It's the damn bible belt, what do you expect? Narrow minded fundamentalists bashing their book of twisted beliefs down the throats of those that go against it. It's a sad, sad group of individuals, I know, I meet them every day. Explaining common sense ideals to a fundie is like trying to get someone who is mentaly retarded in to Harvard. It ain't gonna happen.
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Post by malevolentone on May 18, 2006 1:45:00 GMT -5
oh crap there's a censor. Please don't tell me this board has the Nazi secret police moderators like Gamefaqs...
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Post by christhecynic on May 18, 2006 10:02:08 GMT -5
I love the fact that censorship of this nature means it's ok to describe rape, murder and torture in graphic detail but not to say the word fuck. Because that's what we're after right? A violent world filled with lots of pain and suffering where you can't hear words like fuck and shit.
On the other hand if we get rid of the word damn that would mean all the Christians would be out of a job, right? The vast majority of churches talk about people being damned far more often than people being saved, so if we can get rid of damn, and why not, "Hell," too while we're at it, then we will cause the downfall of most religion in the US.
Those damn atheist censors working against god all fucking day and night.
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Post by christhecynic on May 18, 2006 10:04:08 GMT -5
Nuts?! How in hell does what I said translate to, "nuts"?
I think since damn is a dirty word save should be one too, since Hell is ok Heaven can stay but if damnation is out salvation should be too.
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Post by lurin on May 18, 2006 14:23:08 GMT -5
i just think the whole thing about getting offended by words is dumb.... i mean there is that saying that little ids have "sticks and stones might break my bones, but words will nver hurt me" that seems to be a load of BS now, sense everybody is all crazy about not saying things that might offend somebody... if people want to sware becuase they cant think of anything better to say, let them show there ignoreance, and sware... far be it for me to be offended becuase somebody dosent have a vast vocabulary or whatever.. so, i just say whatever... let people say what they want, as long as the end result is not me being dead in a ditch somewhere ill be fine ^^
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Post by icepick on May 20, 2006 1:52:06 GMT -5
Those d**n atheist censors working against god all f**king day and night. Yes, it's all the fault of us atheist sensors. We're all horrible, horrible people. I find it impossible to believe in a supreme being when the world is just as messed up as it is. Yes, it's a sad state of affairs when people can get killed just for living their lives for whom they are. It's not right that people get attacked, beaten to the point of blacking out, or even killed over it. We can try to have people understand, but you can't teach people who don't WANT to learn.
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Post by christhecynic on May 20, 2006 11:49:02 GMT -5
Yes, it's all the fault of us atheist sensors. We're all horrible, horrible people. You're an automated computer program made to edit out certain words? I had no idea. Besides I was being sarcastic. My point is that what an automated censor tells us is it is ok to go out and encourage that if we so desire. Create an instruction manual saying what orifice you should penetrate with which weapon and how often you should do it, and that's ok. It's all good, it's all happy, and all is well. So long as we don't use certain words while we do it. Because no one comes out and says it it becomes part of the milieu of life, a thing in the background that constantly dips below and above the liminal level, and why? Because some people are too childish to deal with the words that their ancestors have embraced for generations? The youngest word used here has been around for a minimum of 25 generations, that's a lot of elders who must have liked it. The one that kicked it all off predates the English language itself. People could survive them in the past, but now we are placing emphasis upon the words, not the meanings behind them, and that changes the entire situation. Emphasis on a word only makes life harder. In the non profane realm I remember when my cousin was simply called (mentally) retarded, it was a perfectly good clinical description that said exactly what was wrong with her. But when retarded was being used as an insult rather than try to increase the level of understanding of and acceptance of retarded people it was decided to start calling them, "mentally challenged." All that that means is that now, "mentally challenged," is an insult and now she is placed in a larger group containing many people whose conditions do not remotely resemble hers, the autistic for example. In profanity the thing is the same. If people don't like a word that's ok, no one, no matter how simple, is incapable of thinking up something more offensive or grotesque than a four letter word, and they can say it without any problem. If someone wants to insult someone else they can come up with something more insulting than a swear, and now they have to. Now you can't be a civil as profanity allowed. But you can be just as rude as you could before. It's backwards, and its swutting wrong. Belgium.
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Post by christhecynic on May 20, 2006 11:57:45 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post but thinks are funcky round here. if people want to sware becuase they cant think of anything better to say, let them show there ignoreance, and sware... far be it for me to be offended becuase somebody dosent have a vast vocabulary or whatever.. Did you really mean to say, "sware," and if you did where are you from exactly? If you haven't noticed I'm interested in language, and since I thought sware was a word that had been dead for quite I while I'm interested in knowing where it might be alive and well. Anyway, There are certain words that are in no way necessary. The word, "run," for instance, no person with a moderate vocabulary and anything resembling creativity ever needs to use it. It is totally redundant in all possible ways, yet we use it, and use it a lot. Why? Well because it serves a distinct purpose and saves us some trouble by letting us say in three letters what would otherwise take multiple words. Words which are considered profane serve a similar purpose. In the literal they're distinct enough; the thesaurus lists more than 50 synonyms for the verb, "To have sex with," and with the exception of the word itself not one comes close to having the same meaning as fuck. Eskimos have a lot of words for the different types of snow, we've got several words for the different types of sex. I guess that shows where our priority is. More often than not of course the words are used as a sort of, "ipse," or a generic intensifier of any type. Just like Virgil did with ,"ipse," and even, "ingens," modern English speakers do have a habit of over using our intensifiers, hardly a reason to do away with them though. A perfect example of what swears should be used for is this situation, if you look at the statistics, think about what they really represent and think that the situation is merely "wrong" or just "screwed up" I think you're heartless. Most words in the English language can't convey the true horror of such a thing, which is exactly what profanity is for. Profanity conveys powerful emotion or sensation, the only other thing that does that is poetry, if you're the type to compose a poem every time you feel a strong emotion, or break an arm in a particularly painful way then I'm impressed at your creativity. I'm fairly sure I just swore and cried the second, more painful, time I broke my arm. - The only reason that I'm ranting like this is that this thread is about murders, some including rape. These events and the situation that brought them about would be perfectly described by the very words the board will no let you use. Offensive language is perfect for describing offensive actions and the situations in which they take place. In any decent world there would not be a place for the words I'm talking about, but in any decent world there wouldn't be need of words like, "murder," either, and more importantly in any decent world the events that this thread was started as a response to would never have happened. There has never been a better situation for swearing, and somehow I don't find a few symbols representing sounds put in a row to be a bad thing when they can perfectly capture the way I feel about the state of affairs.
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Post by malevolentone on May 20, 2006 13:03:28 GMT -5
^^ Bravo!
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Post by lurin on May 20, 2006 16:35:59 GMT -5
i was born in new jersey. and then i moved to maine, and back to NJ then back to maine, and now i live in southern califonia, i say sware, becuase my dad dose... i when somebody says curse, i always think of like "i curse you" sort of stuff, and cuss is just a stupid thing to say in my opinion... so, i think it was just a new jersey thing i picked up, unless my dad picked it up somewhere else... but yeah...
i know a sware can also be a promise, but i usually just say promise instead XD.
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Post by christhecynic on May 21, 2006 20:09:17 GMT -5
i when somebody says curse, i always think of like "i curse you" sort of stuff, and cuss is just a stupid thing to say in my opinion... Well it works like this: swear = oath curse = what it sounds like cuss = a variation on curse vulgar = thing of the common people profane = anything non-religious (brushing your teeth for instance) explative = a word necessary to fill the meter in poetry or the syntax in prose, for example, "It," in, "It is rainning." And so on. None of the words for swears, that I know of, actually mean swears. Words change in meaning so much as time goes on. Sometimes it's interesting, for example secure come from a Latin word for help that in turn come from the Latin for, "run under," because they figure when you run under someone you're trying to help. The word demand comes from the French word for, "ask," because for a while the French speakers ruled England and when your ruler, "asks," for something it is more or less a demand. Both of these I find mildly interesting, other times it doesn't matter or is flat out boring.
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